(From Mr. Adnan Oktar’s live interview on Dem TV and Tempo TV, November 13th, 2009)
PRESENTER I: Do you agree with American ideas?
ADNAN OKTAR: America is like a mass chorus for Darwinism. All American newspapers come to me for interviews, but they are all dyed-in-the-wool Darwinists, tightly bound to Darwinism. They are also strongly opposed toCreationism. Groups in America that espouse Creation are the subjects of much mirth. They have no power at all. They say the Earth is 6000 years old, that this much time has passed since the Big Bang. And that puts an end to it. There are all these petrified fossils, so 6000 years is just impossible, out of the question. There are fossils dating back 100, 200 or 400-500 million years. They have been totally defeated on that. Because the more detail we look at, the older fossils we find. That is why Creationists are in such a dire strait in America. They are a laughing stock. The subjects related to religion is beyond that. They have been completely routed. But Darwinism has also tasted defeat throughout world for the first time. They tasted it after my offensive. No such thing had happened before. They are now in a state of shock. Darwinism is taught in hundreds or thousands of universities in America. Tens of thousands of institutes teach Darwinism. All publishing houses are constructed on Darwinism and, most important of all, the regime in America is founded on Darwinism. Capitalism is founded on Darwinism, in other words. Darwinism is the official state ideology in Great Britain, France, Germany and all of them. It is literally under official protection. Darwinism is under the protection of the state.
PRESENTER II: You say that capitalism is founded on Darwinism, but socialism also espouses Darwinism.
ADNAN OKTAR: True.
PRESENTER II: Is there no contradiction between them?
ADNAN OKTAR: There is. And that is what they say, too. Fascism, communism, capitalism, freemasonry and all the rest are all based on Darwinism. When asked to set his philosophy out, Hitler made wide-ranging statements, saying that his entire philsophy was based on Darwinism. Ask Mussolini and he says his [ideology] is also based on Darwinism. They asked Mao, and he said that Chinese communism was based on Darwin and his theory of evolution. Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin all say the same thing. And the masons.
PRESENTER II: We know that socialists believe in Darwinism. But socialism is presented as an alternative to capitalism, so how can socialism espouse Darwinism when capitalism does so? Or should not capitalism espouse something else if socialism supports Darwinism?
ADNAN OKTAR: This is something organized within the logic of thesis, anithesis, synthesis. It’s a thesis produced by freemasonry as it rules the world, and freemasonry is also organizing the conflict in the world. It [the conflict] could not organize itself. Marx was a mason. Lenin was a mason, Hitler was a mason. Mussolini was a mason. They all had their specific lodges. Take a right-wing leader and he will be a mason, and then take a communist and they are both members of the same lodge. Freemasonry designs the world. They have 1000- or 2000-year plans for world rule, and they are putting those into operation.